Does .15xx have working AI, and why's it so slow?

MKSheppard · Space Emperor Joined: Dec 17, 2005

I've been playing a game against the AI, and finding it to be well, a bit dumb in not reacting to my fighter swarms.

Also, even at the beginning of the game, it's taking a long time for my computer to process AI turns, is this a side effect of so much work being done to the game, or is Deluxe edition that slow?

CaptainKwok · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject:

The AI in Adamant isn't developed very well yet as there as changes are always being made which makes it hard to keep it fully functional.

Not sure about the turn times - how many AIs are there?

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

What are the specs of your computer?

MKSheppard · Space Emperor Joined: Dec 17, 2005

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

Well that does make some sense, as there is more data for the AI to trawl through.

Most of my turn processing (for any mod) has been done by PBW, so I never really noticed this.

Pualeej · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 10, 2008

Sorry to dig up a (really) old thread, but I just pulled down this mod and noticed that it is very very slow to play. Its unbearable in single player (which I would prefer until I learn them mod).

The CB mod, which also feels big, plays as fast as stock. Both of these mods are fun, but single player just doesn't work in Adamant. Am I doomed to wait for more patches (I'm on 0.16.0.6)? Is there a newbie friendly game starting (one in which I can be tutored on PBW as I have not done it yet)?

Pualee

Praetorian_Dust · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Location: Texas, USA

I'm pretty sure Fyron has basicly abandoned this. So no more patches.

Carrier Battles mod does not involve data that equals 5x the normal amount of data present in a stock game. Carrier Battles is roughly the same amount of data in stock. Adamant is basicly 5x stock, and 5x slower, if not more.

PBW may be your best bet, unless there aren't any real games going.

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

By "abandoned," do you mean I keep putting out patches as I come across issues in PBW game(s)?

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Are you guys talking about AI processing time or pace of gameplay?

I'm not aware of any new PBW games starting just now, but I will post in this forum when I start the next one.

SuicideJunkie · Leaky Guru Joined: May 28, 2005 Location: Canada!

A clarification, please:
When you say slow, do you mean "Go have dinner while the turn processes" slow, or "takes me 50 turns to get anything decent built on my colony" proportions-mod slow?

Praetorian_Dust · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Location: Texas, USA

Well then its mostly done and so there are fewer patches.

It would be good to know if he's talking about AI processing/ pace of gameplay. I assumed he meant how fast the AI is.

SuicideJunkie · Leaky Guru Joined: May 28, 2005 Location: Canada!

Just a note as to mod size:
CBmod has 4x the stock components.

GritEcon has 100x the stock components (yes, 47 megs and 32000 components)

Turn processing times are a nonissue despite that, although you do get to stare blankly at the intro screen for an extra minute as it is read off the disk Wink

Pualeej · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 10, 2008

I was referring to the time a turn processes for AI opponents. As far as how long it takes turn wise to do something, I have not been able to get past more than a few turns to find out. I guess its really only about a minute long, comparable to Civ III. I'm just spoiled by the time it takes the stock game.

Since I am assuming its the AI that is slow, what does the game use for scripting? I am currently learning python (want to learn Lua too) and have a background in C/C++, as well as a host of other non-game related skills.

I would be interested in taking a stab at something like this, although I am very limited on time. I guess I would also have to monitor/play some PBW games for a while to learn good builds and strategy to put into the game.

I don't want to step on anyones toes, so if I'm not wanted here, I'll move along until I can get into a multiplay game Smile

Pualee

SuicideJunkie · Leaky Guru Joined: May 28, 2005 Location: Canada!

The closest thing to a script may be the research list or the design patterns.
Everything you've got is in the adamant\AI or adamant\pictures\races\<insertracename> folders.

Fyron · Galactic Guru Joined: Aug 04, 2003 Location: CA, USA

There is no scripting to speak of; its all essentially big lists of data parsed by hard-coded AI routines. The only thing I could think of that is mod-specific causing slowdown might be the research file, which has the tech areas for all paradigms in it and is the same in every AI. That shouldn't cause noticeable slowdowns early in the game though; presumably the AI routine stops parsing once 100% spending is achieved.

Praetorian_Dust · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Location: Texas, USA

It might just be first turn design creation. Is it slow after the first turn?

Pualeej · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 10, 2008

It seems to just be the default map. If I generate a random map prior to the game it runs much more smoothly. The map I created was much smaller in size.

Praetorian_Dust · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 28, 2006 Location: Texas, USA

There is no 'default' map. They're all random.

Pualeej · Space Emperor Joined: Feb 10, 2008

Dunno whats going on then, I think default is 'medium' size whereas I went with 'small'. Anyway, after trying medium for a while, I also noticed that after the first few turns, it was slow, but when exiting, relaunching the game and resuming, it is much better! Perhaps something to do with the initial loading of the game? I did notice a difference in that I had to rejoin as 'host' (I am playing 3 races at once to learn differences between nomad, pirate and normal).

It seems 'host' has a better turn processing rate?